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Re: Dual Channel, wirklich soo super?
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in welchen anwendungen ?

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In meinem Fall merkt man einen leistungszuwachs.

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es ist wie es krobi schon sagt, chipsatzabhängig ...

leute, mir sind gestern abend meine 2x512 MB Twinmos speed premium Speicher mit UTT (Winbond CH-5) über den jordan gegangen

haben ja noch garantie,
ich wollte ja bei mir den dual-channel unterschied messen, aber ohne die beiden geht es schlecht.
wenn ich die aus garantie wieder bekomme, dann teste ich mal.

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naja der unterschied zwischen deinem und meinem benchmark ist vorallem der chipsatz

du hast einen nforce 2 drin und ich den via kt880, daher kann es natürlich sein das die via kopie dieser technologie etwas schwächer auf der brust ist als das original.

da ich aber nvidia nicht mag und nach meinen erfahrungen noch weniger, bleib ich lieber bei via - persönlich entscheidung und meinung.

Posted on: 2005/5/11 13:35
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Re: Dual Channel, wirklich soo super?
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Also, da ich schon vor einiger Zeit stolzer Besitzer eines Dual Channel Boards geworden bin, hat mich dieses Topic gewissermassen elektrisiert! Und da hab ich doch glatt mal die entsprechenden Benchmarks laufen lassen:


Single Channel

Sisoft Sandra:
Memory Bandwidth: 2743/2502 MB/s
Mem&Cache Bandwidth: 3668 Mb/s (kombinierter Index)

MemTest: 893 MB/s


Dual Channel

Sisoft Sandra:
Memory Bandwidth: 2748/2591 MB/s
Mem&Cache Bandwidth: 4132 Mb/s (kombinierter Index)

MemTest: 1333 MB/s


Alles mit:
2x 512MB 187Mhz
Athlon XP2600 @ 2148Mhz
Asus A7N8X-E

Ich muss ehrlich sagen, dass ich überrascht war, dass sich überhaupt Unterschiede finden! Schließlich soll Dual Channel nur bei Onboard-Graphik o.ä. was bringen, und wer in diesem Forum hat sowas schon...!
Vielleicht liegt es am Asus Board, dass es im Single Channel so abkackt...

:-´

Posted on: 2005/5/10 23:11
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Re: Dual Channel, wirklich soo super?
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1.5 GB anstatt 1 GB sind schon besser auf AMD Sockel A (in single channel), auch weil da dual channel nix bringt.

krobi,
werde ich testen
morgen, versprochen.

ich hab ja 4 slots drinne,
1. > channel 1
2. > channel 2
3. > channel 1
4. > channel 2

jetzt hab ich 1. und 2. belegt,
morgen setz ich mal auf 1. und 3.
also, auf single channel

aber wie gesagt, ich schätz bei mir werden es zwischen 95 % und 98 % sein ich meld mich morgen


PS:
hab meine MDTs verkauft, die haben 255 MHz stable gepackt


hab dafür jetzt 2x512 mb pc 3200 twinmos speed premium mit winbond CH-5 (winbond UTTs)

das sind von infineon für winbond produzierte high voltages chips. sind alle auf brainpower PCB drauf, und laufen grad mit nur 3.24 volt @ 240 MHz @ 2-2-2-5-1T
mit 3.5 Volt will ich dann die 255 MHz @ 2-2-2-5-1 packen, damit auch meine CPU mit teiler subbi läuft.

PPS:
nethands und meine signatur werde ich bald ändern, muss nur noch die rams testen

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hm frag mich nicht

hab beim gonzo auf seinem 939er board die benches gemacht - only dual modus.

der hat werte

der hat alle werte über 6000 (ausgenommen memtest, der spuckt garnix aus)

naja hab mir jetzt meinen dritten riegel geleistet, weil grad ein lokaler shop ein gutes angebot für mdt speicher hat die woche daher hat michs jetzt auch interessiert.

die leistung mit drei 3x 512 (singel channel):
Memtest: 872
Sandra Mem Bench: 2427 / 2305
Sandra Cache & Mem Bench: 3584

also wie man siehst nicht unbedingt ein großer leistungsverlust, außerdem ist es ja sowieso nicht bemerkbar - diese minimalen differenzen.

aber ich find das schon sehr erstaunlich, dass das hoch angepriesene dual channel nicht soo tolle ist.

marshy hast du schomal einen test gemacht, dual-single usw modus? mach mal, falls zwei ram hast und mal zeit - währ interessant.

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bei mir bringt es ca. 98 % leistzungszuwachs, da ich nen 128 bit arbeitsspeicher bus an meinem sockel 939 hab :Fuck:

aber ist klar dass es bei sockel A nix bringt

hmm, der RAM controller muss ja auch die 8 bit auf 4 bit für jeden ram teilen so gesehen ... und das bedeutet auch arbeit. ich denk mal, funktioniert so wie raid 0 !?!

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so ich habe gerade einpaar benches gemacht, um für mich mal die frage zu klären inwiefern mein system schneller/langsamer im dual channel betrieb ist

ich habe ein sehr erstaunliches ergebnis

Gebencht wurde mit folgenden Programmen:
  1. Memtest86
  2. SiSoftware Sandra 2005
Klar ist es nicht unbedingt toll solche Hardware-Test unter Windows durchzuführen, nur brauchte ich neben Memtest86 auch ein anderen Program um mehrere Werte zu erhalten

Ergebnis
 1x 512 MB (Single Channel)2x 512 MB (Single Channel)2x 512 MB (Dual Channel)
Memtest86
872
872
890
S. Memory Bandwidth
2435 / 2313
2430 / 2293
2409 / 2309
S. Cache & Memory
3651
3676
3726

Ich finde das extrem witzig das 1x512 (single channel) manchmal sogar schneller ist als 2x512 (dual channel)

was sagt ihr dazu? habt ihr euer system schomal auf diese unterschiede gebencht? oder vielleicht solche unterschiede festgestellt?

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Total: 116
Blocks
Login: Not cached
Main Menu: Not cached
Herzlich Willkommen: Not cached
Usermenü: Not cached
PD-Members: Not cached
Site Info: Not cached
Umfragenblock: Not cached
Google Adsense (klein): Not cached
Partner: Not cached
Total: 9
Extra
Included files: 240 files
Memory usage: 2127952 bytes
Timers
XOOPS took 0.241 seconds to load.
XOOPS Boot took 0.007 seconds to load.
Module init took 0.019 seconds to load.
newBB_Header took 0.002 seconds to load.
newBB_viewtopic took 0.229 seconds to load.
XOOPS output init took 0.022 seconds to load.
Module display took 0.190 seconds to load.
Page rendering took 0.002 seconds to load.