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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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Na denn.... :???:

Auf in die nexte Werkstatt. Die Kumpelz sind meist eh recht hilfsbereit.
Druckluft durchblasen wirkt oft Wunder. Unbedingt von beide Seiten !
Von Chemikalien möcht ich abraten, wer weiss ob nicht das Bauteil selbst angegriffen wird.

Kannst aber auch Wasser nehmen. Wennst einen Wasserhahn mit Gewinde wo hast, brauchst nur ne Reduzierung auf deinen Schlauchanschluss aus dem Baumarkt.
Aber aufpassen! Der Wasserleitungsdruck geht bis 100 Meter Wassersäule.

Ich würd halt auch die Pumpe mal testen. :Known:

Dem metrigen Schlauch mal grad nach oben in die Luft halten uns schaun , ob überhaupt was rauskommt. Wenn ja, schaun wie hoch ungefähr das Wasser spritzt. Dann weisst, ob der Druck in Ordnung ist.
:Clap:
Und dann auslitern ! :Pray:

Nebenbei, ich hab eine ganz kleine Eheim in mein Zimmerspringbrunnen. War halt gut und günstig...
:gibsmir:
Heute nach ca. 1/2 Jahr bringt sie maximal 50% der ursprünglichen Leistung, obschon sauberst geputzt. Warum, weiss isch nischt.

:wirr:


stay tuned!

Posted on: 2005/2/23 0:32
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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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hi,
dange für die antwort, aber sogar eine viel schwächere pumpe von z.B. eheim die 600 Liter förderleistung hat und 1.2 meter höhe druck aufbauen kann, reicht aus für einen
-tribble radiator
-CPU kühler
-Grafikkartenkühler
daher gehe ich mal davon aus, dass es meine auch können müsste.


ich bin mir langsam fast sicher dass es am kühlkörper liegen muss
kann auch sein dass ich nicht richtig ausgespühlt hab.
hab mal gelesen dass man die kühler erst richtig mit einem großem kompressor durchreinigen kann, mit druckluft und so :???:

ich werde mich dann mal genauer informieren mit dem saubermachen ...
PS:

mit meinem neuen system ist der kühlblock in einer höhe von 25 cm :Thumbsup:

tröpfelt aber noch immer ... hmm, bin grad am überlegen mit welchen chemicalien ich den saubermachen soll :Grind:


Posted on: 2005/2/20 22:58
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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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Hallo

Hab soeben die Daten von deiner Eheim 1000 gefunden. :Thumbsup:

Die bringt zwar bis zu 1000 l/h , aber der Druck geht maximal auf 2 Meter Wassersäule. :Thumbsdown:

Weiter oben schreibst von 50 cm Höhenunterschied Pumpe/Verbraucher. Da hast schon mal 25% des maximal verfügbaren Drucks verbraucht. :-´

Schlauch mit 11mm Innen ist an sich schon gross, aber jeder Schlauch hat halt Widerstände. 1m ist halt nicht wirklich kurz..... :Known:
Ich schätze mal, da verlierst wiederum so um die 50 cm Wassersäule.

Bleibt verfügbar am Verbraucher also 1m WS. Wenn ich mir diverse Radiatoren so anschau, also wirklich viel kann da nicht durch. Die müssen recht grosse Durchflusswiderstände haben. Kann durchaus den verbleibenden Meter Wassersäule auffressen. Tja. Und dann tröpfelts halt nur mehr. :gdwh:

:Thumbsup:
Jetzt die gute Nachricht.
Das Problem ist lösbar!

Vorschlag zur Soforthilfe:
Höhenunterschied minimieren, Schlauchlänge minimieren.

Wenn das nicht willst, kannst immer noch eine zusätzliche Pumpe zur Druckerhöhung einbauen. Und zwar in SERIE zur ersten. Das heisst - eine Inline-Pumpe - direkt in die Leitung zum Verbraucher.



stay tuned!



:Pint:

Posted on: 2005/2/20 20:08
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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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die pumpe ist verdammt stark
ich kenn keine stärkere pumpe, die man normal einsetzen kann.
über 22 watt leistung ...

-pumpe
-1 meter schlauch
-wasserkühlkörper

sonst nix, kein radiator, nix mehr ...
schläuche haben nen durchmesser innen von 11 mm was recht dick ist.

gruß, dane

Posted on: 2005/2/14 18:43
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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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Jo is a echta schaß mit die naturgesetze....


Jedes strömende Medium ist Verlusten unterworfen. In dem Fall die Leitungsreibung, die sich als Druckverlust äussert. Daraus resultiert entsprechend geringerer Durchfluss. Abhängig von Leitungsdimension und -Länge, Anzahl der Bögen, sonstige Widerstände (Kühler etc.)
:Known:

Hast eine lange Leitung ? ... im System meine ich.

Üblicherweise haben diese Minipumpen zwar recht hohe Durchlussleistungen, bringen aber dafür wenig Druck. Wenn nämlich der Pumpendruck in der Grösse des Druckverlustes liegt, gibts echte Probleme.
Nach deiner Schilderung scheint das bei dir der Fall zu sein.

Vielleicht kannst eine Liste posten, wie dein System im Detail aufgebaut ist.
Dann könnt ich mal kurz drüberrechnen. :Klatsch:

Posted on: 2005/2/13 21:58
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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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ist ok


greets

moonwalker

Posted on: 2005/1/8 1:23
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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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wenn ich mein projekt mit der "kompressor -wasserkühlung" nicht fertig bekomme, dann muss ich mir nen dual radiator + pumpe mit AGB kaufen.

ich meld mich aber wenn ich was brauche


gruß, DanE

Posted on: 2005/1/8 1:22
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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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hmm ja da wäre eigentlich kein Problem da muesste ich einfach 8mm Tuellen besorgen stellt aber kein Problem dar


mfg

moonwalker

Posted on: 2005/1/8 1:16
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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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coole preise und das angebot :Clap:

aber nur WLP aus österreich zu bestellen ...
da kostet der versand auch etwas

ihr habt super radiatoren im angebot ...
hab aber 11x8x1,5 schläuche ... also außen 11 mm

gibts da auch passende anschlüsse für die radis ?

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Re: Wasserdurchfluss immer weniger :(
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ne ne ohne wlp braucht man es nicht mal probieren. ;)


look@ my shop www.pc-city.at dort sollte wlp auch drinnen sein :Thumbsup:

Posted on: 2005/1/8 0:49
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Total: 118
Blocks
Login: Not cached
Main Menu: Not cached
Herzlich Willkommen: Not cached
Usermenü: Not cached
PD-Members: Not cached
Site Info: Not cached
Umfragenblock: Not cached
Google Adsense (klein): Not cached
Partner: Not cached
Total: 9
Extra
Included files: 240 files
Memory usage: 2152168 bytes
Timers
XOOPS took 0.354 seconds to load.
XOOPS Boot took 0.009 seconds to load.
Module init took 0.090 seconds to load.
newBB_Header took 0.003 seconds to load.
newBB_viewtopic took 0.334 seconds to load.
XOOPS output init took 0.028 seconds to load.
Module display took 0.226 seconds to load.
Page rendering took 0.001 seconds to load.