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Re: Welche Schutzprogramme ? Antivirensoftware, ...
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okay sagen wirs es so

es hat insofern sinn den dann wenn eine firewall durch zB bugs geknackt wurde ist die zweite dann noch da

aber sonst macht es wenig sinn, weil wenn die eine richtig und gut eingestellt hast, was soll dann die zweite tun

natürlich redma jetzt davon 2 auf einem pc, 2 in einem netzwerk haben schon sinn aber das würd das ganze abissi sprengen aber wie gesagt auf einem pc ist es nur bedingt sinnvoll.

aber es funktioniert, also du kannst 2 ruhig gleichzeitig nutzen, mir sind noch keine inkompatibilitäten bekannt.

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Re: Welche Schutzprogramme ? Antivirensoftware, ...
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wenn ich kaspersky an hab, und was anteresses mit der ausenwelt kommunizieren will, dann fragt es mich danach ob ich es erlauben soll oder nicht. hmm, naja ich schaumal.

macht es was aus wenn ich 3 firewalls am laufen hab ?
nein oder ?

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also der link wie man eine firewall ausschalten ist ja nur für zonealarm und dann sicherlich auch nur für eine alte version, glaub kaum das man diese lücke jetzt noch ausnutzen kann

weiters sind die artikel und behandelten probleme urr alt ich meine artikel aus dem jahre 2002, diese sicherheitslücken sollten doch schon geflickt geworden sein *hoffen wirs mal*

im anderen link gehts zum die personal firewall 2001, und 2002 jetzt gibs 2005 also denk ich auch das die jetzt besser schützt.

kerio kenn ich nicht, ehrlich bin
weiß auch nicht wie die kaspersky ist

zur windows firewall ist folgendes zusagen, block nur in einer richtung. bin mir aber nicht sicher welche das jetzt war, fuck schon wieder vergessen. deshalb ist zwar für normale user okay, aber sichern tut sie nicht sonderlich viel weiters hat man halt wenig einstellungsmöglichkeiten. nur die frage ist ja wer sich wirklich die arbeit antut sich a firewall richtig einzustellen.

das bezüglich port 80, ist zwar super nur wenn du port 80 sperrst kannst du nichtmehr surfen also was solls. für diese diskussion sollte man dann voraussetzen das man ports kennt.

also port 80 brauchst zum surfen
und port 20 und 21 brauchst für ftp

die brauchst halt, die solltest nicht zumachen
weiters hat der neue norton zB (das feature haben sicherlich andere firewalls auch ich kenn halt vom norton weil ich ihm einsetze) das er ungenutzt ports automatisch zumacht bzw wenn es dort zugriffe gibt automatisch sperrt.

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Re: Welche Schutzprogramme ? Antivirensoftware, ...
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was haltet ihr von der KERIO firewall ?

hmm, naja krobi, klar glaub ich dir. Aber es wurde mir von einer anderen person gesagt dass FireWalls nix bringen sollen, wenn man sein windows und seine antivirensoftware optimal einstellt. ^^
unter optimal versteht er vll alle ports zu stopfen :Grind:


hab auch im netzt interessante berichte gelesen, die auch sagen dass firewalls nix bringen sollen

klick

klick

klick hier für eine anleitung wie man firewalls an fremden PCs ausschalten kann :D

ich finds schon krass ...


PS:
nochmal die frage, was haltet ihr von der kerio firewall ?
besesr als die kaspersky ?

kann ich 3 firewalls an haben ohne dass sie probleme machen ?
-windows firewall
-kaspersky
-kerio

?!?

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Re: Welche Schutzprogramme ? Antivirensoftware, ...
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firewalls sind schon gut
nur du musst sie richtig einstellen, das normale standard firewalls für *peep* sind ist klar viele firewalls arbeiten auch so das sie alles offen lassen und man erst alles sperren muss

die aktuellen firewalls auch die windows firewall lassen nur das durch was du freigibst, deshalb sind sie nicht umsonst und ich hoffe du glaubst mir hab darin a ausbildung.

firewalls sind nur dann "unsicher" wenn man unsichere software verwendet bzw seine software nicht aktuell hält, klar wird jetzt ein linux freak sagen ich rede blabla jede firewall kann man hacken

klar kann man das, man kann alles hacken, alles hat fehler die 100000%ige sicherheits gibt es NICHT

man kann sich im prinzip mit einer firewall nur gegen kidies schützen die irgendwie mal gehört, gesehen oder so haben wie man eine hackt oder umgeht oder ähnliches.

also wir verwendet daheim, den norton systemworks und internet security 2005. ich weiß die meinung über norten gehen sehr weit auseinander ich finde ihm ziemlich gut und die neue version läuft auch entlich mal wieder gut.

weiter läuft natürlich der peer guardian, und ich frage mich was ich noch alles blocken soll? dann brauch ich e ka internet mehr

den der sicherste server/recher ist der, der seine eigene stromversorgung hat, keinen internet zugang hat, der tief in der erde oder so vergraben ist mit dicken betonwänden und den kein mensch erreicht bzw erreichen kann. das währe dann ca 10000%ige sicherheit

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Was für Securitysoftware habt ihr drauf ?
und welche könnt ihr mir empfehlen ?


ich hab jetzt drauf:

Antivirenschutz: Antivir
Firewall: Kaspersky + windows XP sp2 Firewall

Sonstiges: Peerguardian

aber irgendwie reicht das nicht aus >_<



ein netzwerkprofi hat mir gesagt dass firewalls nichts bringen. egal von welchem hersteller. er hats mir auch erklärt warum und er hat mich richtig überzeugt.

ab jetzt werde ich immer meine firewalls deinstallieren.
spart speicherplatz ^^

www.linkblock.de steht beschrieben (in den ganzen links) warum firewalls für den *piep* sind :Hüpf:



grüßle, StyXi

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Total: 99
Blocks
Login: Not cached
Main Menu: Not cached
Herzlich Willkommen: Not cached
Usermenü: Not cached
PD-Members: Not cached
Site Info: Not cached
Umfragenblock: Not cached
Google Adsense (klein): Not cached
Partner: Not cached
Total: 9
Extra
Included files: 239 files
Memory usage: 2019656 bytes
Timers
XOOPS took 0.318 seconds to load.
XOOPS Boot took 0.011 seconds to load.
Module init took 0.033 seconds to load.
newBB_Header took 0.004 seconds to load.
newBB_viewtopic took 0.300 seconds to load.
XOOPS output init took 0.041 seconds to load.
Module display took 0.230 seconds to load.
Page rendering took 0.003 seconds to load.