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Re: E2K-Prozessor
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hm das hauptproblem bei dem ganzen ist hier nachzulesen

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die firma gibt es nichtmehr, sie wurde von intel gekauft dH die prozessoren von denen gibt es auch nichtmehr im handel (wenn sie überhaupt jemand in europa gegeben hat)

die wahrscheinlichkeit das du noch einen prozessor mit passenden mainboard bekommst ist ungefährt so hoch wie ein lotto 6er - weiters stellt sich mir auch die frage inwiefern der prozessor x86 kompatible ist/war.

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Mal nur so am Rande erwähnt: Zu kaufen bekommt man diese CPU nicht oder?
Ausser in Russland?

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Naja, ein E2K-Benchmark mit SPECint2000 gibt es nicht, da Intel offenbar kurz danach das Entwicklungsteam bei sich beschäftigt hat. Dafür aber Itanium auf SPEC_2000
HIER IST EINE TABELLE MIT LEISTUNGEN

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hm man erkennt aber auch das zwei verschiedene programme verwendet wurden SPECfp95 und Specfp2000

weiß zwar nicht was der unterschied genau ist aber wenn dann kann man nur die werten von den GLEICHEN programmen (auch versionen) vergleichen.

ist wie wenn ich 3dmark01 mit 3dmark03 werte vergleichen würde aber aufjedenfall interessant.

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Naja, L3 Cache ist beim E2K nicht angegeben, ist aber mit sicherheit passend. Aber du weißt selbst, dass der L2-cache für die performance ausschlaggebend ist. Das Gegenteil ist der Fall: zu viel L3 cache schränkt die Bandbreite stark ein. :Clap:
Das "Geheimnis" von E2K ist nicht etwa die Taktrate (die gibt es überall und beliebig hoch), sondern die komplexe innere Architenktur der Befehlssätze, die praktisch eine Steigerung des Hyper-Threading ist, und das im Jahre 2001(!).Benchmarks:

E2K=>135 SPECint95 und 350 SPECfp95 bei 256kb L2 Cache, @1,2 Ghz; 10,2 Gflops/sec

Itanium=>45 SPECint2000 und 70 Specfp2000 bei 96kb L2 Cache, @800 Mhz; 8 Gflops/sec

Deutlich zu erkennen sind stark variierende SPEC-Werte (Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation).

Posted on: 2004/12/29 13:55

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wie siehts mit L3 aus ? :???:


der olle E2K hat ja auch kein L3 wie der olle intel ...
hmm ... nujo ohne benchmarks glaub ich nix :Grind:

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Es gab und gibt offenbar auch andere Prozessorhersteller als AMD und Intel. Die russische Firma "Elbrus", die schon seit 1994 exestiert, stellte schon 2001 den leistungsfähigsten prozessor der welt her. Damals war der Intel "Merced" (Itanimu) DAS Spitzenmodel. Vergleich:

"Merced"- 800 Mhz Takt
96kb L2 cache (4MB L3 cache)
0,18 micron
Fläche von 2 cm²
70Watt leistungsabnahme
kosten 100$(in wahrheit mehr als 4000$)
MMX, MMX+, SSE


"E2K"- 1200 Mhz Takt
256kb L2 cache
0,18 micron
Fläche von 1 cm²
35Watt leistungsaufnahme
kosten 50$
ähnliche technologien (SSE etc.)
Parallelverarbetung von Befehlenssätzen (ähnlich dem heutigen Hyper-Threading, bloß besser)
intergrierte Virenerkennungsalgorithme

=>beide kompatibel zu Intel-socketsystemen. E2K konnte außerdem schon damals problemlos zwischen 32- und 64-bit umschalten, während Itanium ein reiner 64-bit prozi war.
Tatsache ist auch, dass E2K im direkten Vergleich bis zu 5 mal schneller ist, als "Merced".
"Elbrus" steckt zwar in schwieriger finanzieller Lage, doch sie wollen auf 0.10 micron herstellungsverfahren umsteigen. Laut berechnungen wird der neue E2K einen Takt von 3 Ghz besitzen und 512-1mb L2 cache aufweisen. Der neue Prozi soll, laut hersteller mit allen aktuellen und wahrscheinlich auch zukünftigen x86 standards kompatibel sein.
Angeblich hat Intel den Patent für E2K gekauft und die Wissenschaftler aus "Elbrus" eingestellt.

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Total: 109
Blocks
Login: Not cached
Main Menu: Not cached
Herzlich Willkommen: Not cached
Usermenü: Not cached
PD-Members: Not cached
Site Info: Not cached
Umfragenblock: Not cached
Google Adsense (klein): Not cached
Partner: Not cached
Total: 9
Extra
Included files: 239 files
Memory usage: 2049320 bytes
Timers
XOOPS took 0.376 seconds to load.
XOOPS Boot took 0.011 seconds to load.
Module init took 0.075 seconds to load.
newBB_Header took 0.004 seconds to load.
newBB_viewtopic took 0.329 seconds to load.
XOOPS output init took 0.042 seconds to load.
Module display took 0.245 seconds to load.
Page rendering took 0.003 seconds to load.